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	<title>Comments on: A Missional Twisst</title>
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		<title>By: Karen Frederick-Howell</title>
		<link>http://consumingjesus.org/2009/05/27/a-missional-twisst/comment-page-1/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Frederick-Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This shows real wisdom, but I would like to point out one thing, though. You write that change will take &quot;time - a long time&quot;, but, what takes humanity forever, our Lord can finish in no time at all. Perhaps this financial meltdown is His way of bringing reality to the spoiled Followers of the U.S.A.. So many are losing those &quot;big houses&quot;, and, while it seems sad in some ways, could it actually be a spiritual windfall? We may have no choice but to swallow our sinful pride and admit we need each other, and what a blessing that would be! ...Thanks for the great &quot;think&quot;, and may our Lord Jesus bless you with wisdom and true peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This shows real wisdom, but I would like to point out one thing, though. You write that change will take &#8220;time &#8211; a long time&#8221;, but, what takes humanity forever, our Lord can finish in no time at all. Perhaps this financial meltdown is His way of bringing reality to the spoiled Followers of the U.S.A.. So many are losing those &#8220;big houses&#8221;, and, while it seems sad in some ways, could it actually be a spiritual windfall? We may have no choice but to swallow our sinful pride and admit we need each other, and what a blessing that would be! &#8230;Thanks for the great &#8220;think&#8221;, and may our Lord Jesus bless you with wisdom and true peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelsi Johns</title>
		<link>http://consumingjesus.org/2009/05/27/a-missional-twisst/comment-page-1/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelsi Johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank-you, Daniel. I agree, learning more so then we can continue to know what questions to even is so crucial and empowering. Sojourners&#039; latest issue has an excellent article on Richard Twiss entitled &quot;Christ and Whose Culture?&quot;. This is the online link:  http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&amp;issue=soj0906&amp;article=christ-and-i-whose-i-culture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank-you, Daniel. I agree, learning more so then we can continue to know what questions to even is so crucial and empowering. Sojourners&#8217; latest issue has an excellent article on Richard Twiss entitled &#8220;Christ and Whose Culture?&#8221;. This is the online link:  <a href="http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&#038;issue=soj0906&#038;article=christ-and-i-whose-i-culture" rel="nofollow">http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&#038;issue=soj0906&#038;article=christ-and-i-whose-i-culture</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Fan</title>
		<link>http://consumingjesus.org/2009/05/27/a-missional-twisst/comment-page-1/#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross, 

There&#039;s a reason why you don&#039;t want to live on reservation land: the white people who forced the tribes onto that land didn&#039;t want it either.  

I don&#039;t think many native peoples are looking, primarily, for the kind of structural changes many of us are so afraid of (restitution, redistribution of lands, etc). 

1)  They have their pride too.  

2)  The US government doesn&#039;t have a good track record when it comes to giving native peoples gifts.

While it&#039;s up to God to change hearts, we can start by educating ourselves on the history of Native Americans (and, in fact, native peoples around the globe).

PBS has a short, but touching, if not super-comprehensive five parts series that can be accessed online here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/weshallremain/

(streaming, and free)

Dee Brown&#039;s &quot;Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee&quot; gives a Native American view of the Westward expansion and the fulfillment of Manifest Destiny.  However, it does not cover the suppression of native tribes prior to the 1860s (Wampanoag, Narragansett, Cherokee, Seminole, etc.) 

Knowing the history/plight of Native Americans has helped me open conversations and ask tougher/more vulnerable questions.  The same applies for Native Hawaiians.   If you&#039;ve taken them time to  know their tribe&#039;s history, then chances are you care more about them as individuals.

One of the things racism, does is rob a person of their self-determined identity.   Structural racism is even more apt to do that both because it happens on a larger scale, and because it is more amorphous (you can&#039;t even &quot;name your enemy&quot;).   By knowing someone&#039;s history, in this case racial/cultural history, we take the first step in understanding and restoring that identity.  

It&#039;s a small start, and maybe not the only place to start either.  But it is a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross, </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason why you don&#8217;t want to live on reservation land: the white people who forced the tribes onto that land didn&#8217;t want it either.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think many native peoples are looking, primarily, for the kind of structural changes many of us are so afraid of (restitution, redistribution of lands, etc). </p>
<p>1)  They have their pride too.  </p>
<p>2)  The US government doesn&#8217;t have a good track record when it comes to giving native peoples gifts.</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s up to God to change hearts, we can start by educating ourselves on the history of Native Americans (and, in fact, native peoples around the globe).</p>
<p>PBS has a short, but touching, if not super-comprehensive five parts series that can be accessed online here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/weshallremain/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/weshallremain/</a></p>
<p>(streaming, and free)</p>
<p>Dee Brown&#8217;s &#8220;Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee&#8221; gives a Native American view of the Westward expansion and the fulfillment of Manifest Destiny.  However, it does not cover the suppression of native tribes prior to the 1860s (Wampanoag, Narragansett, Cherokee, Seminole, etc.) </p>
<p>Knowing the history/plight of Native Americans has helped me open conversations and ask tougher/more vulnerable questions.  The same applies for Native Hawaiians.   If you&#8217;ve taken them time to  know their tribe&#8217;s history, then chances are you care more about them as individuals.</p>
<p>One of the things racism, does is rob a person of their self-determined identity.   Structural racism is even more apt to do that both because it happens on a larger scale, and because it is more amorphous (you can&#8217;t even &#8220;name your enemy&#8221;).   By knowing someone&#8217;s history, in this case racial/cultural history, we take the first step in understanding and restoring that identity.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a small start, and maybe not the only place to start either.  But it is a start.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelsi</title>
		<link>http://consumingjesus.org/2009/05/27/a-missional-twisst/comment-page-1/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m interested too about the DVD you mention, Mick. That of course if the first necessary step--simply igniting the thought and interest to engage these realities in the church, and to help the church see that justice is not a about being conservative or liberal. So I am excited to hear about that. I also resonate with you, Ross. I have been processing that same frustration: the more I learn, the more I feel like I get worked up and affected, and then feel defeated because I feel too disconnected, selfish, unmotivated and too overwhelmed to  know where to start. It&#039;s so easy to talk about the ideals and another way of life, but so hard to take then next practical step.

The encouraging thing is, it does not necessarily take going and living on a reservation to create mutuality and solidarity with the First Nations peoples. I think that it takes small, tangible steps--such as building one or two relationships with people who are different than you, entering into their world and struggles and then seeing how that changes the way you see others and the world--this in and of itself will have a powerful domino affect. It starts on a relational level, I believe, and goes from there. 

I also find it encouraging to realize that we are a part of the body, but not the entirety. You or I will not be every piece of the puzzle--only one small piece. We are limited people, with limited time, resources and abilities. It is only together that the puzzle comes together. God calls us to do what we can with what we have. So if that is one powerful relationship, so be it. If it is moving on a reservation, so be it. If it is challenging our church in small, practical ways, so be it.
 
I think the crucial thing is to not get overwhelmed, but appreciate and accept our limitations (yet somehow made powerful in Christ) and take small baby steps towards the kingdom we hope in. I believe that this is all God expects out of us--our limited, partial, but earnest best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested too about the DVD you mention, Mick. That of course if the first necessary step&#8211;simply igniting the thought and interest to engage these realities in the church, and to help the church see that justice is not a about being conservative or liberal. So I am excited to hear about that. I also resonate with you, Ross. I have been processing that same frustration: the more I learn, the more I feel like I get worked up and affected, and then feel defeated because I feel too disconnected, selfish, unmotivated and too overwhelmed to  know where to start. It&#8217;s so easy to talk about the ideals and another way of life, but so hard to take then next practical step.</p>
<p>The encouraging thing is, it does not necessarily take going and living on a reservation to create mutuality and solidarity with the First Nations peoples. I think that it takes small, tangible steps&#8211;such as building one or two relationships with people who are different than you, entering into their world and struggles and then seeing how that changes the way you see others and the world&#8211;this in and of itself will have a powerful domino affect. It starts on a relational level, I believe, and goes from there. </p>
<p>I also find it encouraging to realize that we are a part of the body, but not the entirety. You or I will not be every piece of the puzzle&#8211;only one small piece. We are limited people, with limited time, resources and abilities. It is only together that the puzzle comes together. God calls us to do what we can with what we have. So if that is one powerful relationship, so be it. If it is moving on a reservation, so be it. If it is challenging our church in small, practical ways, so be it.</p>
<p>I think the crucial thing is to not get overwhelmed, but appreciate and accept our limitations (yet somehow made powerful in Christ) and take small baby steps towards the kingdom we hope in. I believe that this is all God expects out of us&#8211;our limited, partial, but earnest best.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Louis Metzger</title>
		<link>http://consumingjesus.org/2009/05/27/a-missional-twisst/comment-page-1/#comment-422</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Louis Metzger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your encouraging word, Mick.  By the way, can you tell us more about your work, including the DVD?  

Ross, you are so right about the hardness of heart issue--we all face it in different ways.  May God change our hearts so that we will pour our lives out for the First Nations peoples--the first Americans--as we live in solidarity with them for Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your encouraging word, Mick.  By the way, can you tell us more about your work, including the DVD?  </p>
<p>Ross, you are so right about the hardness of heart issue&#8211;we all face it in different ways.  May God change our hearts so that we will pour our lives out for the First Nations peoples&#8211;the first Americans&#8211;as we live in solidarity with them for Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Halbach</title>
		<link>http://consumingjesus.org/2009/05/27/a-missional-twisst/comment-page-1/#comment-420</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Halbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly agree with you Kelsi.  Only a few days ago I was driving through the many reservations in New Mexico and Arizona.  The land the tribes were given is absolutely desolate.  To get by they build casinos and sell their art to people like me passing through their land.  The structural situation requires more then a few foot washings--absolutely. 

But, here is the problem.  I am not willing to go live on one of those reservations I passed through in NM or AZ.  I almost rather die than do that.  We can talk about addressing structural issues and that is good.  But honestly, I almost feel like my heart is harder knowing the problem and not doing anything about it.  So, I join you in your final prayer: wash my feet, my heart, and my hands so that I can be a beautiful instrument of peace for Christ&#039;s Gospel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly agree with you Kelsi.  Only a few days ago I was driving through the many reservations in New Mexico and Arizona.  The land the tribes were given is absolutely desolate.  To get by they build casinos and sell their art to people like me passing through their land.  The structural situation requires more then a few foot washings&#8211;absolutely. </p>
<p>But, here is the problem.  I am not willing to go live on one of those reservations I passed through in NM or AZ.  I almost rather die than do that.  We can talk about addressing structural issues and that is good.  But honestly, I almost feel like my heart is harder knowing the problem and not doing anything about it.  So, I join you in your final prayer: wash my feet, my heart, and my hands so that I can be a beautiful instrument of peace for Christ&#8217;s Gospel.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Porter</title>
		<link>http://consumingjesus.org/2009/05/27/a-missional-twisst/comment-page-1/#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, great blog and an excellent post!

Here in Australia, we have to face some of the same issues.

I think the point around washing the feet is profound, but hard to solve. We&#039;ve recently produced a DVD aimed at getting people to think through some of these things - having been involved with some of the more conservative arms of the church, I&#039;ve seen some great teaching but it regularly falls short of landing on issues of justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, great blog and an excellent post!</p>
<p>Here in Australia, we have to face some of the same issues.</p>
<p>I think the point around washing the feet is profound, but hard to solve. We&#8217;ve recently produced a DVD aimed at getting people to think through some of these things &#8211; having been involved with some of the more conservative arms of the church, I&#8217;ve seen some great teaching but it regularly falls short of landing on issues of justice.</p>
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